Looking forward to spending more time with the family. system. I am sorry if this question has already been asked, but what are you doing now for work? Who knows what’s in store from here on out. I would go for Oceanography! Helps to have plenty of FU money and be close to FI. Anyway, if you can get a C, then stick with it. I stopped really liking the coursework last semester and felt that I really did not have a passion for it but being Indian, I didn’t want to disappoint my parents and I was doing decently, so I kept going. On the other hand, most students don't really know why they want to be an engineer, let alone what type of engineer. Good point about the first 10 years. So while companies are replacing older experienced engineers with cheaper foreign tech workers on H-1B visas this guy did a reverse and he is sharing his engineering expertise with the Italians. I do not feel that engineering is unfulfilling in its own, but that I don’t get the feeling that I am contributing greatly to society. In time, your private company will get bought/sold, followed by endless reorganizations and layoffs. That’s why I said I’m not a good fit for the job anymore. Can money possibly make up for a job that you do not like? Many people left to find a different career too. We have zero debt. However, I’ve been in the field for 19 years now, and I’m burned out. I am guilty of that myself. That job sounds like a nightmare. They all got forced to retire or got fired. You might need to move to California if you are looking for an engineering job. I became more senior and the expectation was to sit in god awful meetings all day, make slides sets, and influence others. Haha. You are expendable. I’ll only work on what I want to from now on and will never go back to working for a corporation. Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? I still love engineering things, but I have hated actually working as an engineer for at least the past 12 years. We have debts from previous houses, etc. I have been working too in an IT company for past 2 years 10 months..yes not long time as yours..but i had started to feel the shiver 1 year back itself. Also, I promised my wife that we would settle down some day and stay in one place for longer than four years. I can’t imagine still working 40 years from now! Just a note that I got fired from my engineering job over 30 years ago for taking too much vacation. When asked to apply, I would get the position. Thanks for sharing. Seems like burnout was inevitable. It happens to a lot of people. I worked with some PE when I was there. Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s important to keep in mind that engineering school teaches you a methodology for solving complex problems. FORTRAN did teach me basic programming principles. Yes, there are bad teams, there are bad managers, and there are no doubt jobs where people feel trapped. I was pretty much thrown in the deep end because my technical experience was non-existent (there is really not much you can learn in the short span of vacation work). Our middle management and executives continually miss the mark and we’ve yet to let them go. My advice is to save as much as you can. After so many years, you are a bit more realistic, especially just being the “cog in the wheel.” I think it’s healthy to change every so many years so you don’t end up a burn out just hanging in for the check. Yet the very fact that they trumpet this makes me think that that path doesn’t really exist, or has so few “openings” that it might as well not. That’s $57k in today’s dollars. The warning signs are clear and many with engineering degrees get out of the field real quick. As a zoomer I was more attracted with programming and code. It was disheartening to say the least. I also like volunteering for the same reason (mental challenges) and meeting new people. I also feel easily replaced now by the younger folk and my skills could be a little better if I hadn’t been in the grind the last 10 years. It has it’s challenging days, but I can count on my fingers the companies in the world where I an do what I do. Technical only carries you so far. Anyway, that’s just a dream. But I was after the money. But now I have substantially more freedom. As is true at every employer, large and small. Life is short so we need to enjoy it. The main reason why I call it retirement is because I don’t plan to go back to my engineering career. That’s unfortunate. Also Korea has a much worse work environment than the US, with crazy work ethics that require “voluntary” overtime work(60~100 hrs a week), not enough salary (50k~ for PhD holders), and other factors. Vandaag presenteert de Raad voor de Veiligheid zijn onderzoeksresultaten. Everyone who is thinking about quitting their job should read Financial Samurai’s book: How to engineer your layoff. Sounds to me like only the cheapest were left. I think it’s good to try something else. For resume advice from professional coaches and resume writers, you can also visit our Resume Review services. Thank You for sharing with us. But as the years flew by, things changed when there were dept reorgs and many managerial changes. Several promotions and with rare exception that money goes right to the mortgage, which is within a year from payoff. Only a few people can make that kind of transition. Once you have a good job, then you can figure out the next step. Perhaps it is just the way of life. I probably should have moved to the Bay Area when I was young. *Sign up for a free account at Personal Capital to help manage your net worth and investment accounts. This is very similar to my development curve when I was young. It’s been over 7 years since I quit my engineering career. Do this by going out to … Joy. I question what the future for our kids will be like. A consistent thread seems to be that engineering should be abandoned as a career field. And often enough, these fat cats have no interest in computing (or whatever your field is) or making the world a better place, just money. Thanks. There are companies out there that will give you the time you need to live your life but also do engineering in a 40 hr work week. Thanks for sharing your real experience ! I hate my engineering job!! At this point, management will lie to your face and say that nothing will be changing and it will help the company progress to the goals they are trying to attain. Engineers who left the field still do just fine so there is life after engineering. As our daily lives shift with the spread of COVID-19, you may require the support of unemployment benefits. You will discover that salary does in fact plateau and your value does not go up and up as you get older and more experienced. I’m 40 right now and can definitely see myself writing code until i’m dead. It gets hard to plan the future – your head is down, working, and you go home to relax. Hence I decided to move into the area of of web design(HTML/CSS,Photoshop,Flash) and developement. If not, become a physician’s assistant and enjoy a 7AM-3PM job with a $100K/yr salary with no expected overtime. I am not saying you should realized you were destined to be an engineer and have no other recourse. These are smart guys, but become victims of ageism in some respects. I still enjoy tinkering with things a little bit, or trying to improve existing designs, but I thoroughly hate the daily grind. It isn’t enough to excel on the technical side of engineering. One lead test engineer, after 9 months of searching hard, took a job (doing hands on IT work) which barely pays half of what he used to make. Needless to say, my background has helped – out mechanical engineer built an automated test fixture, and I wrote a windows based program in C# – I had one of our software engineers help me set up the IDE, but after that I went to town. My husband is going to quit his engineering job in a year. This video is unavailable. Problem is what the tech industry now considers “senior” can be just 10 years of experience, which at Intel meant youngish engineers spending much of their time on these quasi-managerial tasks, instead of the engineering for which they were hired. Would like to add an update to my comment above. I have a MSEE degree with a 3.8 GPA…and graduated in 5 years basically (had 2 classes out of the 10 to take when I started working). Mostly I’m feeling disillusioned. If yes, go do what you can to complete the degree. This lead to me to start thinking about why do engineers hate Arduino? With SS down the road, FireCalc says that I am there with 0 failures. I lost all interest in my work, and really care only about the paycheck and getting back to see my family. That way you’ll have a choice when you graduate. Maybe you will find that it’s enough and your passion for your original job is rekindled. This is why I adhere to a strict 2 year rule in the industry. You can travel, have fun with friends, and do things to lessen the stress. I’d encourage engineer if he likes it, but I would also tell him to plan for an early exit or mid life career change. Is blogging immediately profitable or something? Find a good mentor and you’ll get a lot of help. I probably should have changed job more often. Only the very best were left. If it’s not something you enjoy, then maybe it’s time to look for other alternatives. I started invested in rental properties about 10 years ago and I have 30 renters now. This is my 6th year in the undergraduate program because I failed many classes in my 3rd-4th years in college. Although, like you said, most people do not notice nor care for these items (I’m hoping consumer preferences change). But I can’t strongly assert enough that potential engineers entering college really study their potential industry, the trade offs of being an engineer (good pay and benefits, fascinating work and problems, bad job security in some fields, and definitely bad environments for your health overall). Here’s my advice to you … since you’re in a decent career track now, start to research jobs in the government. The flip side is you don’t have to be an engineer forever. They move on to do something else. When I first started, my Engineering job was only intended to be a starting point so I could figure out what I really want to do (And I have figured it out at this point). BTW, did you get a letter of recommendation from your former boss? I cannot move up the technical ladder because they will want me to lead projects (again) and work insane hours which I want to be done with now that I have 3 kids. It’s not glamorous and it wasn’t what he did as a full time job. Was it a mistake? But it doesn’t work that way. Thank you for sharing your experience. Do you know any other careers I can pursuit if this was to happen that I could achieve with a BS in Software Engineering, with decent pay of at least $60-70 and not discrimated for age? Yet, engineering is essentially about innovation and creativity, that’s what makes it exciting and relevant to our daily life – in that sense, it’s like an Art where engineer is the Artist, that could only be achieved by creative approach to engineering and through an entrepreneurial venture; the excitement of running your own engineering venture, employing other people who become your friends and teammates, where success of the venture depends on your leadership and ingenuity – tapping in every bit of your academic knowledge and challenging your intellectual abilities on daily basis, such challenge is what makes life worthy of living, not financial independence through government or private pension plans. I came back to the states in 2012 and worked for companies in both startups and mid-large companies. I cut back on the hours during my last few years too. If I were you, I would try to get an engineering job with your undergrad degree. When I was 48, I quit my engineering job but went back after 2 years off. I decided to invest in the stock market cause I see that for all companies I worked you are just a number and the only thing that matter is the money… that thing that happen to your boss is shit, but its how companies work… money money money. Good luck. It might lose its luster at some point, but I’m enjoying it right now. Engineers saves this planet yes, but not as an individual but as community. I have got a good job offer in a new good company but its all the way across country from where we live. My experience is that smaller companies typically treat employees better, despite lower pay and benefits. The key is to save and invest as soon as you can. My husband and I are in a similar boat. It was a huge shift going from high school to university. You probably should focus more on yourself and ignore how other people are doing. Good luck! Seems like you’ve put in a lot of time in your education and experience, and I’m sure there are other’s who’d pay for your knowledge. I know that I’m now becoming a broken record on the whole health care (specifically physician assistant [PA]) vs engineering careers but here’s another factoid … do a job search and look for part-time PA jobs. I’ve hardly ever worked more than 40 hours per week as an engineer unless I was just really engaged in a project that I wanted to make sure didn’t slip schedule. I feel your pain my friend, I too feel I’ve wasted so much of my life and I feel I made some really bad decisions when I was younger, I often think about some of the other options I had such as starting my own business as a young 20 something instead of going to school. Seems that a lot of much-needed changes are finally happening (high-res screens, much thinner profiles). At my first job I realized the happy days of DEC and the 80’s were over. I’ve saved and invested well. It would be fine for me to keep doing the same job and getting minimal raises, but that’s not enough for the company. Good luck! It’s good for the short term, but I don’t think it works in the long term. The pay increase took 6 months because I had to prove to them I was worthy. While I generally enjoy my work, I believe I will enjoy FIRE even more. The engineering group was small and still very “family” oriented. But IMO anyone who makes a blanket statement like the above about Intel’s culture should do a bit of self-examination. Both careers go hand in hand and while someone may be better suited for one, but not the other, the baby can’t be thrown out with the bath water. Health care is the most solid hiring sectors in the economy and I suspect … the PA’s role is possibly the most important one long term. I’m working on transitioning out of IT and into something less stressful and more meaningful to me. But I get told and scared by the people that how can you leave such a good amount of money that you are getting at the end of each month. Joining Intel as senior engineer, these requirements hit immediately, where I desperately tried to meet unreal expectations as newbie employee, in tasks I felt neither able nor willing to engage. I ended up switching major and taking courses in sociology and family psychology and I am happier than I have ever been, both mentally and emotionally. These criteria do not seem like something I will be able to meet, especially when I have no passion for engineering. It’s stupid! Statics involved very complex mathematical equations derived using Algebra, Trigonometry, Calculus, Differential Equations, and Physics. Privacy, Sign up to receive new articles via email. As of now, I’ve been with my company for ten years. ), you do a good interview, you will be fine. If willing to move, there are oodles of defense jobs around Maryland and of course DC. If you have questions you ask for help. Financial independence enabled me to become a stay-at-home dad and take care of our son when he was a baby. He has taken a pretty substantial pay cut and the new job is extremely stressful as they took him out of the position he was hired for and made him responsible for many, many tasks (including failure analysis for the whole fab on all shifts) . No granted, I am an engineer, so I'm going to wind up painting myself in a bad light no matter what I do here. I’m sure some senior level engineers are happy with their jobs and still enjoy their time at work. David work at the Amazon fulfillment center around Christmas as I understand. I am a senior Hardware Engineer – and I have a rather eclectic background. What should I do? That’s hard, though. Very intersting view. The women engineers have it pretty tough when they have kids. Weirdly meaningful gifts for the weirdest holidays ever. Here are our biggest complaints about the educational rite of passage. I didn’t know better at the time, I don’t know a lot of young adults that do. The pay and recognition was great! How do you like the courses? I had one engineering job and got sacked in 2001 due to the downturn, and as the Chinese products drove our company from existence. Have you considered going into programming? Anyway, let me know if I can answer any questions. There are too many people who are doing things for $200 that should cost $1000. My husband is in the military, and due to us moving so much plus our two kids who need more stability than I could give them if I were working, too, I suppose I “retired” when the first one was born. Something not so technical. i’m not an engineer but a chemist (only BS level). I’m no slacker (my boss even said so) but I was starting to get fried from all the stress and pressure (every single day was approx 10 hours (lunch not included) since I started there). Afterwards, I moved to a software development company. The ultimate goal of an engineering career should be innovation and creativity, making life easier in the society and hence better for the humanity; as a self-employed engineer — a wealthy entrepreneur; you could have spent as much as time you wanted at home with your son while enjoying the pride of your technical achievements. I love to learn, but I worry that I might get apathetic and get laid off. I got across your blog because after 1.5yrs of being retired I am contemplating on returning to the work force but don’t want an engineering career in the same industry. Solve non-coding puzzles. I’m very curious why you couch your quitting in the phrase of “retirement” rather than staying home to take care of your kid (which I know you’d said was a big reason for quitting). Thank you for updating this. It will refresh your skill. Good luck! Occasionally, we’d work long stretches of 80+ hour weeks when the chips came back from the Fab. I probably should have left 5 years earlier to join a small company. Employees are just resources. Sometimes, you get stuck in a rut. I quit for different reasons. The person it takes to excel in the technical side and in the management side of things is a rare person indeed. Read the whole story on the About Page, See our Real Estate Crowdfunding investment, Track Your Money for Free with Personal Capital, How to Start Investing in Dividend Stocks, Disclosure: All content on this site is for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional financial advice. Doctors are also dealing with the fact that the system doesn’t want to maintain their current rates of compensation w/o that level of specialization. Engineering is a great field to get into. That’s a good way to get out of the technical side. I love hanging out with my 2 year-old daughter every morning. And I have realized that I hate engineering and yet I am still in engineering school. Get to know people at the company on a personal level. That’s too bad because most of us hates politic. The thing is, even if you are really good at what you do, you are invariably a lot less marketable as a middle aged guy with highly polished skills than a 30 year old with lesser skills who will be allowed to learn the rest of it on the job. We live frugally so our passive income covers our expenses. Don’t quit now because you never know how it’s going to turn out. I have been in Engineering all my working life, over 30 years. I am already much happier now. I minored in Business Management and really enjoyed that, particularly the management side of psychology and the basics of the processes involved with restructuring a business, but don't really want to throw away my programming degree either. I went through a similar career impasse in my mid forties; I’ve got laid off from my senior engineering position in the automotive industry; as such, I truly understand your career story — Yet, there is one major flaw in your perception about the engineering careers; you are totally neglecting the creative and entrepreneurial aspects of an engineering careers which could be emotionally and financially very satisfying, especially, in the late years of an engineering career. It is all about how you fit in the internal company politics schemes and opposing forces in the management. But I’m glad you got out because nothing is worth your health. Create a new resume or upload an existing one. Sorry to hear that. It depends on the economy, of course. Locally, several energy (utility) companies have been hiring entry level engineers with my range of experience. I’ve seen some of what you’re talking about though, with the expectations changing as engineers get more senior. Loving nature a lot more. Some of these big corporations really sucks the life out of you. Unfortunately the Korean military system has no interest in giving people with a diploma a chance to stay on course. The defense industry has become highly aggressive (as most defense jobs are immune from competition from H-1B candidates) and the management exploits this fact. Sign up for a free account at CrowdStreet to check out their projects. It was a perfect storm for bigotry and racism. These people are not in front of the computer 10 hours daily. Thanks for reading and any comment would be greatly appreciated. Every path has its struggles. ... but hate math. My parents couldn’t afford for me to make any mistakes in choosing careers since they weren’t rich and still had our extended family to support back home, so I picked the safest, highest in demand career I could find. It seems most of those people doesn’t do much technical works though. Because you only get paid when you’re working.” — Steve Pavlina, author of “Personal Development for Smart People”. All. Something to think about if you do decide to go the therapist route. You can pivot and change your career right now without losing much. In it, Matt Damon & Ben Affleck made a point that Will Hunting was wasting his life by doing menial jobs like custodial support, construction work, etc, because he was a math genius with a photographic memory. Wow! You might be the expert in any field but if your manager is incompetent so you will be in the eyes of the higher management guys. In fact, in many instances, it probably grew out of tradespersons (who we may have called themselves engineers had the word been around at the time). Why? What has this got to do with computer engineering? I am in the oilfield, not as fast to evolve as ee/computer but when i as a newly minted manager @ 26 saw my amazing 50 years old boss being walked out due to commodities prices collapse, I knew right there and then..this is a transient business, save, invest, prepare and be ready to check out as fast as i can. You are right. Raises are based on how much you are paid w/in your pay level (are you at the bottom and thus underpaid, or at the top and “fully compensated”), and performance, which for engineers is subjective, unlike a sales job. Not to everybody, but to a lot. I am going on 16 years as an individual contributor in the same job. I now study pharmacy and it gives me a social life, and I love video games more than before as well as TV-shows and movies. Frankly, now that I have to get back into the workforce, I have no idea what I’m going to do. You like your job and company now, but who knows what can happen in 5 years. AND I WAS OBSESSED WITH ARCHITECTURE SINCE CHILDHOOD. I think it’s tough to stay an individual contributor these days. Hi, I really enjoyed your article. It’s a great site for DIY investors. I’m making low 6 figures and have plenty of reasons to enjoy the work and opportunities I’ve been given. I would say that I’m an intermediate-level engineer. However, some people may enjoy engineering/enjoy the career path. The following two tabs change content below. Plus, future generations may face a world where creativity is rewarded more than logic. The early years in my career were tough as it was hard to find a job I enjoyed, but after four career switches (different companies, and different positions in engineering), I think I am in a pretty good place. Granted, it doesn’t pay as much as I made as a technical lead, but I can afford to take the pay cut. I discovered that I was developing a health issue. You can get a Computer Science degree and take all the PT requirement classes too. Would I encourage him to pursue a career in STEM? What are you plans? I’d value your perspective.” “The hiring committee sure got it right bringing you on board. I don’t want to end up like this. I reached a high proficiency level in English over a relatively short time period. I’ve been in engineering for 32 years since age 20. But hey let me follow my original passion I do not regret anything though. that require you to learn new things every single day. I’m sure the real estate market will turn around at some point. Eventually, one realizes that work and, especially volunteering, can be fun and an interesting part of a retirement program. I found this article through a google of “good paying jobs for former engineers.”, I studied EE. The place is very disorganized with very limited systems and no training..and the person that used to do the failure analysis job is only minimally interested in helping..he is just probably happy to be not the responsible party anymore… So, my husband, who is 50 and all ready pretty shaken from the last layoff last year, has very low morale; very high stress; and the said he just feels pretty numb at this point, but can’t handle the stress much longer. I think ECE and CS are like this. You’re still young. I think I would hate a job like that. With my background I have a few questions I want to ask. I was unhappy, and I really don’t want to go back. Since turning 40, I have begun to realise I hate every living second of my life as a Engineer. It was Jack Welch’s idea to “squeeze” the bottom 10% so they’d leave the company on their own…GE did not have layoffs like us, so maybe that made sense for them. Thank you for your input. Basically it’s a place no one would spend their time at. Perhaps you can take a year off to figure out what you want to do. There are always new engineers so the employers have more power at this point. I was too laid back and I hated telling people what to do. I'm at an age (28) where I'm looking back at my life, and thinking to myself what the f*** did I do? It has completely devalued a once lucrative profession. I hope your SAHD experience is as positive as mine. Years ago only engineers over the age of 40 were down trodden and at the mercy of contracting in order to find any type of work. I couldn’t disagree with you more about your management line… I have a team of 10 and am the first to arrive and last to leave. WE always need more engineers. The upshot is I got an MS in just one more year and was able to find a job relatively easily. That’s what got me…). The problem is that one’s higher ups, the so-called MBA-types, have no clue and force arbitrary deadlines and do everything in their power to sideline senior engineering tech leads. So the guilt I would have from leaving the field of engineering has been holding me. I started out at $36k 20 years ago! Even if you don’t want to leave yet, it’s a good to have that option. We’re talking about this more on our Sept 3rd post. It is a shame that you were promoted into something less enjoyable and thus hastened your departure. In any “metric-driven’ company like ours they lead to the Controller. I don’t see why the family needs to be retired at the same time. My mom told me not to become an engineer, and so I didn’t. You’d have to compete with 20 something kids who don’t mind spending 80 hours on the job. I got put on a layoff list mainly due to politics. Are you making more money? In the corporate world, if that person isn’t an executive, then he’s probably on the way out. Every company is run differently and has different views on work/life balance. Personal finance is still fascinating to me. Got to agree with brian. 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